This is a Biblical look at the International house of Prayer’s Mike Bickle and his teaching on Prophet discipline. Has God Changed how he deals with people who claim to be speaking in his Name? Since God is unchangeable, Immutable, and never changes his mind, It is doubtful that God now allows the sloppy antics we see from the New Apostolic reformation.
This was painful to do because the worship coming out of IHOP seems so glorying, but when they open there mouth to proclaim what they think God has told them then they seem to be totally off base from what the bible is saying.
I will say I should have mentioned that yes God still does miracles but in my opinion, not on stage before a television camera.
This is far more important than many believe, many think it’s ok to just draw lines anywhere they want, but this is so wrong. The idea that we can choose what is to be taken literal or not in scripture plants a seed that over time can completely undermine faith. We need to stand firm on what the word of God says, if we’re persecuted for it, made fun of, and hated…so what, Do you some how think you’ll have faith to die for Christ? But in regards to the age of the earth you cave in because you’ll be laugh at. If you can’t take persecution over God’s word in the form of laughter, how do you think you’ll stand in light of real persecution? No where in scripture do we see an example where compromising God’s word ends up converting unbelievers. Proclaim the truth, stand on his word, stop giving in to mans reasoning and believe what he says.
Mark Spence, from Living Waters, demonstrates that many religions have a different ‘Jesus’ they follow. Which Jesus do you follow?
This segment is taken from The Way of the Master TV show, Episode: Luxembourg.
This is a great vid to teach us to listen to those who think they are following Jesus…be slow to embrace anyone who mentions the name Jesus, listen closely to what they say, because many times their ideas about Jesus don’t match scripture. While sharing the gospel I didn’t hear the guy I was talking to say “I do my best and Jesus completes the rest” So I thought he was proclaiming the same Jesus from scripture, but later learned he was a Mormon…Works rightsousness…So pay attention so we can truly love the lost with the truth of God’s love.
2 Thessalonians 2:8-10
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
Pastor Scott Rodriguez
Brothers, several have been asking for some backstory/context on these videos. Mrs. Muldoon set her tent up across the street from our church (it is still there until Sunday 5/20.) I received a call from one of our people that some families that attend our church were sitting in her audience. Others were there to pray and share the gospel afterwards with people leaving. They had been accosted by a young man named Devon, (the managers son) on the evening before when he overheard one of our young men talking with someone after the service about the call of Pastor being reserved for men.
I came out at the end of her Saturday night service and spoke with her, and her manager Dennis about their perspective on what had occurred. They felt that they were being heckled. I asked what they were preaching in order to get a better idea about their ministry, and explained to them that we, as a Gospel preaching church, would be extremely sensitive to a ministry that came off as strange as hers. She then claimed to be preaching the same message I described to her: that Christ came in the flesh to die upon a cross for the sins of man; that he was buried and rose again 3 days later; and that people are commanded by God the Father to turn from sin and put their faith in His Son’s finished work on the cross in order to be saved; and finally that there is no other way of salvation. She claimed that this was her message too, but that she also believed in miracles – which I agreed are still done today according to the will of God. I shared with her that if she would give me some materials to look over to her affirm her claims about her message, I would come back the next day and say a quick word to people from our Church about the need to refrain from being disruptive, disrespectful, and to hold any questions or disagreements until after her service to be voiced with her or her leaders. After some more discussion she said that would be acceptable to her.
I came back the next evening. She didn’t call me up as we’d discussed. Had she, I honestly don’t know what I would have said. I sat through about an hour of what I’d classify as normal charismatic preaching quite off-base, but nothing overly shocking. However, there was a transition after her message into various fraudulent acts of “ministering in the “Holy Spirit” that range from her laying hands on people who would respond by gyrating, shaking, screaming, flapping arms like being in a strong wind, knocking over chairs, throwing themselves down (not falling) on the floor. She prophesied over 3 girls that she said were seated where the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were, that would be getting married in June – she acted as if she knew nothing of their personal lives, but one of them was the attorney for the ministry that I’d met the night before – the other two were her friends. She said angels were there and that there could be voices of angels heard in her music because they followed her wherever she went. Then she scared a 3 year old little girl when she called her mother up – girl in arms, and began laying hands all over her body (the Mom’s).
Finally, I thought it was over, but she walked up to me where I was seated on the front row, and began “prophesying”. She said, “Young man spit your gum out and face me”. I got up (probably should have just walked out), and she began telling me how I thought I had come as a peacemaker, but was really there because God had used the hecklers to get me to her tent because He had something to give me through her. Then she went on and on saying all kinds of stuff, including that I said or thought that her ministry was a work of God, and that she was doing good and trying to help people. That was a lie. I never led her to believe any such thing. At that point I felt I needed to make it clear that I didn’t agree with her message or ministry, and that’s what I tried to do. Sadly I think it appears more as though some guy got in a prayer line or requested prayer and then seized on the opportunity – which isn’t true.
My greatest desire is to see God’s people warned, but I don’t feel I did things perfectly. Here’s why: I knew the right thing to do was to seek my Senior Pastor’s approval, but as a matter of convenience I did not. He is a man of God, and would have helped find a more godly way of approaching this, but in a moment of passion I acted and entrapped myself. Please don’t misunderstand, I believe once in the circumstance the worse thing I could have done is simply remained quiet, but I just feel as though Jesus would have done it differently. So while I stand behind my words to Mrs. Muldoon and would plead with people to flee from any ministry that replaces the Blood stained Gospel of Jesus Christ with a pursuit of miracles, I ask forgiveness of the Lord and my brothers for any way in which I got ahead of the Spirit of God or acted independently. Finally, please know that I’m not the bold man some think I am, I’m a man who is inconsistent and struggles with the fear of man like everyone else – we all desperately need the Cross, myself included.
P.S. I don’t use face book – maybe if people know that my wife can get some sleep.
The Full Video showing “Dayna’s” false prophesy concerning Pastr Scott, concidering she then rebukes him as a devil later
Well done Brother Scott, the events recorded here are a great way to see the deciption of false prophets. Do you know that if you speak for God, you can not get it wrong….
18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or[a] who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’
21 And then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect. 23 But be on guard; I have told you all things beforehand.
I can see it now, hell aint that bad, don’t worry the church just made it sound that way so it can control you…
13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Hell is real, it is not made by the church, its in the Bible, we are to take it very seriously…
28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
The mission of the Church is not to save man from hell, it to set the captives free to worship God…
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
So let me make this conclusion long before this misrepresentation of hell is even released. The number one biblical issue that will continue to be reduced by man will be the call for repentance. If Hell is less of a concern, why obey? Party on mankind, after all hell no big deal…
31 Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Repentance was a big theme to Jesus…
This was the poem Hannah Recited during the 2011 Christmas morning worship.
Does God still judge nations? My first thoughts on this is No…because it seem to me that once Christ set us free to have a personal relationship with him, the need for a national identities is lost. Ideally if you belong to Christ, you are not a citizen of this world.
18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,
2 Timothy 2:3-5
3 Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him. 5 An athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules.
18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.
19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. 20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”?
BUT….After Watching this teaching about Harbinger I’m beginning to think God could be still in the business of Judging nations, I in no way think this is rooted in “replacement theology” but in “Patterns” Patterns are clearly seen in scripture:
9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’
11 From the east I summon a bird of prey;
from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose.
What I have said, that I will bring about;
what I have planned, that I will do.
So what do you think, is God using Islam to bring judgment on America?
This little cartoon really hit me square between the eyes…Yes I love theology! I love doing my best to get it right for God’s glory….Has this love gone to my head at times…you betcha…but God continues to pull be back to humility. He will complete the good work he started, of that I am sure.
So late at night I and many other believers spend countless hours correcting bad dortrine…Why? because we love the word of God and want the Truth known, correctly even on the internet.
James 5:19-2019 My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, 20 remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
Meet Alice Spicer, Wife, mother of two, and a self proclaimed Minister of Reconciliation. I mention self proclaimed, because she has left the church. This is an on going trend in our culture, if you don’t like what your Elders are teaching in your church, create a blog, so your opinion is heard.
“I lost my job because I chose to proclaim the truth about the Victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ on my personal blog. Here’s the kicker – I worked in a church office and the pastor fired me because he didn’t want me to represent the church when I held such views “publicly.” So the only way to keep my job was to hide my candle. No thanks! I am now a full time student – multimedia design.” – Alice Spicer
Most likely due to the teachings from the new universalist found on the Internet Alice has left the Church….the Church? the Bride of Christ as it is called in the Bible.
Be very discerning about what you read, watch, or listen to online. This is the information generation, information over load. We must either learn how to apply the laws of logic to what we take in or know fellow believers who know how to break down the information for us. It is key to belong to a local church. Get to know the pastor, the elders, deacons, and other members. In a Church you’ll find that the members are on different levels of maturity, this is a good thing. The Church is a community where the wiser lead the fools…so to speak, Foolishness is how we start out, we are not born wise.
15 Folly is bound up in the heart of a child,
but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him.
It is with great humility and patience that we pursue God. Always be feeding on the word of God, join a bible study, join a home group, host a home group, do everything to learn about God. The key is knowing what God has already said. The Church has 2000 years of forefathers that have laid down teachings that can be trusted. The Reformers covered many issues, from many different sides, so read their work, because many online teachers who claim they has some new angle on scripture have already been proven wrong 500 years ago.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
I’ve enjoyed learning on the Internet. I have had my faith shaken more then once, by some convincing presentations. In time, I held firm to the scriptures that so clearly showed that no matter how well the information was delivered, didn’t make it true. Truth can only be found in God’s word the Bible, trust it, for it has stood the test of time.
Closing thought, in the video Alice posted, she compared the Internet to the printing press during the time of the reformation. The big differance is anyone with a computer can get published….that’s all the more reason to know your bible…Peace