Theology & Biblical Decernment

Who doesn’t love Paul Harvey, the sound of his voice, time travels me back to my childhood. He’s a master story teller, Christian, married 68 years, everyone loves Paul Harvey! We all waited for his famous “Good day!” or “that’s the rest of the story” on his radio show, so this blog over all is very positive about the man known as Paul Harvey. I’m  not judging him as either being a christian or not. As far as I can tell he was a true believer.

Made up stories are fun and for the most part harmless, Paul could tell a story like no one else, but he wasn’t a theologian, a good story masterfully told that didn’t line up with scripture can misrepresent God.

Parables are difficult to write, each character must match perfectly to the intended person or deity we are to learn about.  So without telling you the short comings of this story, listen carefully, pay attention to the positions applied and see if they line up with the biblical positions we find in God’s word.  Listen also for any applications and see if they match scripture. Then post your corrections here, and may-be we’ll call you a theologian.

Elder’s Children….What if?

Titus 1:5-9 Appointing Elders Who Love What Is Good
5 The reason I left you in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you. 6 An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. 7 Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. 8 Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. 9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

1 Timothy 3:4-5 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect. 5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?)

So How do we understand this in light of the call for children to believe and be obedient and not wild? Churches vary on how to apply this to the church, is it only for Children in the home or is it life long? Is this achieved by our children being good citizens but not necessarily Christian? Would it vary depending upon culture? Can we grade on a curve? These questions and many more come to mind when we look at this passage. The black and white view is yes children are children for life, and God is clear on what the fruit of a christian looks like. Many churches simply govern their churches this way. Others have considered more variables, like the adult point or culture. It is important for Elders to have a determination before an issue comes up. To come to a conclusion while facing an issue will put the elder board in a position to be pragmatic instead of biblical.

We are still struggling in the flesh, Romans 7 gives us a clear confession from the apostle Paul’s struggle. So do we then attempt to judge the severity of the sins? Which always seems to be legalistic any way you cut it? Are the children of elders given less grace? How about this thought, are all children of elders automatically part of the elect? If not, then this can’t be black and white. We clearly see God save families, but it is never an absolute rule that all in a Godly family will believe. is it fair to say in Matthew 13:24 The Parable of the Weeds, there will be some unbelievers in the family and the church?

Titus 1:5 “The reason I left you in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you.”
Consider the context here Titus is assigning the task of choosing elders, upon choosing an elder the family is seen in time, a snap shot so to speak, an elders family at that moment would look to be saved, but consider what Jesus taught in Matthew 13:1 The Parable of the Sower, Some do follow for awhile, but in time turn back to following the world.

Titus 6:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. KJV
“Having faithful children” (v. 6b). Faithful means “believing.” The bishop’s children should be Christians. After all, if a servant of God cannot win his own children to Christ, what success can he expect with outsiders? The Bible exposition commentary
This commentary puts the “winning” into the hands of the elder alone. We proclaim, plant water and pray! It is God that does the winning.

it’s most likely true that many daughters of elders have lost their virginity and no one knows. If they get pregnant, and know their dad will lose his position in the church, they may go off and get an abortion and no one knows. If she gets pregnant keeps the baby then it’s known, the witness of the church is tarnished, But what about the daughter? The failure of the elder to impart to his daughter how serous sin is to God needs to be shown. The elder should be disciplined or suspended for the sake of the body, but for the daughters sake, the punishment should not be a complete disqualification from the elder board, so her guilt isn’t overwhelming. Efforts to minister to the daughter must also take place.

Don’t ask don’t tell, comes to mind, some children are sexually active without the churches knowledge. It would be up to the elders to discern what kind of relationships their children are having, and for that matter what other sins they may be enslaved to. It would be reasonable for the elder of an adult child to continue to express God’s standard and their disapproval of their lifestyle. They’re always going to be your children and they should always honor you so it will go well for them. (Deuteronomy 5:16)

Here’s our conclusion, We go forward only, which is to say, over time the Church leadership should improve if the high ground of Holiness continues to be preached and lived out. Since Elder’s children are either born again, on the path to becoming born again or unregenerate it would be reasonable to view Titus 1:6 as the preferred high ground rather then a black and white command. Please understand, as an Elder board we will pick elders that have believing children, but in time we will choose grace first with a prayerful look and what discipline we may apply to the elder if his child were to go wayward.

Church leadership is judged more severely and likewise their children are held to a higher standard. So continue to pray, counsel and raise up the children of the church in the ways of the Lord. Consider giving grace when wayward children of elders are examined.

The Merciful Death of Sam Kinison

Sam Kinison, use to drive me nuts. How could this wretched sinner call himself a christian? Raised in the church, a former preacher, then a stand up comedian? Who drank, drugged, and womanized?…..But look at the mercy of God for his children even when sin abounds, Sam’s death was merciful, God’s grace for Sam was shown, through God’s discipline….                            1 Corinthians 11:29-32

"Sam Kinison

Wild Things are not beyond God’s love

“29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. 32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world”

So am I saying all those who just say they believe, can party on?  Dope not at all, it looks like Sam had a true relationship with Jesus. His inner self knew Christ, He never denied Christ, He maintained his belief in Christ to save him.  The account of his death, looks like he’s talking to angels or God, I believe their story, because of the deaths of Moses, Ananias, Sapphira and those in Corinth.  Think about it, Moses upset God by displaying anger when he struck the rock, this misrepresented who God is. So…

Numbers 20:12 But the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them.”

Moses’s punishment is that he’ll die and not go into the promised land, When we hear promised land we often think “Heaven” why? because it is a metaphor for Heaven.

Where do we next see Moses?  The Transfiguration

Matthew 17:1-3  1 After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

Moses was not forbidden entrance to Heaven, His punishment was to not get into the promised land here on earth.

Ananias and Sapphira, did they belong to Christ?  In Acts 4:32  it says “All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.”   So in Chapter 5 the mention of what Ananias and Sapphira did includes them as believers, who choose to sin against the Holy Spirit.  Which is just another sin covered by the blood of Christ, but it was a Sin that lead to physical death.

1 John 5:16-17 “If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death,”

There is no absolute consensus on what this means. But, most conclude that there are sins that God’s Children can commit which God takes seriously enough so as to end their lives.

Amazing Grace, comes to mind when we understand God’s Love, Mercy, and Patience.

Open Air Campaigners, DANIEL BEAUDOIN

Daniel and his family join us once a year to worship, when he’s here on vacation, he takes time to preach on the streets. Daniel loves people, we would call him an evangelist, and say he has a gift to evangelizes. According to a survey done by Bill Bright a few years ago, only about 2% of professing Christians share their faith. Do you believe what the bible says about those who face God on judgment day without having their sins paid for by Christ’s act of love on the Cross? Evangelist’s believe, but it’s not really a special gift they are exercising that they have and other believers don’t. We don’t say God has gifted some to hand out food, we say that we are loving our neighbor, it’s love. So if we’re not out sharing God’s love by proclaiming the Gospel, then we’re not loving our neighbor. To evangelize, is to love, so consider going forth with the love of the gospel story, because it’s command to us all to go and make disciples, and disciples make other disciples.

The 5 Solas

Sola scriptura (“by Scripture alone”)
Sola fide (“by faith alone”)
Sola gratia (“by grace alone”)
Solus Christus or Solo Christo (“Christ alone” or “through Christ alone”)
Soli Deo gloria (“glory to God alone”)

Loving our Catholic Neighbors with the Truth

So the idea is this, lets start a conversation with Father John Hollowell in hopes of getting him to see the truth from scripture, Pray For John, and be ready to roll with the counter points he may make in defense of Catholicism. He like many Catholics will most likely refer us to “Catholic Answers” This site addresses the finer details to support the Catholic position, and in some cases show reasonable logic, but many time by viewing scripture from a catholic position it will contractions other doctrines….. So here is the origanal vid clip that I want to use as a back drop for a discussion on the following points:
1) “Don’t call any one father”
2) “On Peter I will build my Church” Is Peter the first Pope?
3) “My body is real Food” Transubstantiation
4) “Final Authority” What or who is your final authority?

So here is a clip I’m trying to get Father John Hollowell to watch and respond.

Here is how bible believing followers of the Lord Jesus see the teaching by Jesus, regarding His comments about call anyone Father.

A Shadow of A Doubt

Is doubting a sin? Yes
Romans 14:23
But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
So if I my doubting undermines my faith, and faith is what I need to be saved, won’t my doubting send be to hell?
John 19:30
When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
The fact the doubting is just another one of many sins the Christ dies for, we are covered, it is the complete work of Christ’s love on the cross. Even though the sin of doubt faces off squarely with the promises of Jesus it can’t undue the work of the cross.

Babies are murdered here

Proverbs 6:16-19

16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.