A Biblical Look at the Westboro Baptist Church

March 9th, 2010

WBC (Westboro Baptist Church) will be coming to South Lake Tahoe to Protest Lake Tahoe Community College’s presentation of THE LARAMIE PROJECT a docu-drama about the 1998 hate-crime murder of Matthew Shepard, a gay University of Wyoming student who was brutally beaten by two young men, tied to a fence, and left to die.

As you know, WBC became the most hated family in America by protesting at Military Funerals. This accomplished their goal of using the media to get out their message of Hate.

This is a very challenging issue to discern. In a very black and white way the WBC has more things biblically right than they do wrong. So I want to very carefully divide the true statements from the false ones using scripture as the final judge. I will only deal with their views and actions towards homosexuals in this blog.

What The Bible Says….
Anyone who has heard of the cities of “Sodom and Gommorah” knows that they were notorious hot spots of homosexuality. Gen 19:5-8 “and they called to Lot and said to him, ‘Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.’ But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, ‘Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.’” The Greek word in the New Testament for homosexuality is literally “a sodomite”. Many are trying to redefine what the term “sodomite” means. (A term that has remained unchanged for 5000 years, even today– “sodomy”) The city was clearly destroyed by God because of homosexuality in the story of Gen 19, even the New Testament clearly states exactly the same thing in Jude 7 “Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.” Any sinner should always remember that the God who commands us to love our neighbor is the same God who will cast any and all unrepentant sinners into the “eternal fire” (hell). Here are more Bible passages that deal with homosexuality, Lev 18:22-23 “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.” Lev 20:13 “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death.” 1 Cor 6:9 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals” 1 Tim 1:9-10 “realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers” Rom 1:26-27 “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.”

If the homosexual community chooses to practice homosexuality in privacy, that is their free choice. But let such persons know for certain that the Christian Bible condemns all such practices and God will judge them unfit for the kingdom of heaven if they continue to practice and openly promote homosexual sex.

WBC Twist….
Psalm 5:5 (English Standard Version) The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers. This is the passage the WBC loves to twist, YOU (God) hates _______ This is how they justify their hate. WBC Inserts “Fags” instead of “evildoers.” WBC mainly mentions homosexuals, not adulators, thieves, liars, blasphemers, or murders, any of which could be inserted. From God’s view there are a lot more adulterers than homosexuals. This group implies that homosexuals are more evil than other sinners. One could say that the WBC may love homosexuals more than the others because of their effort to warn them of hell. Jonah hated Niveveh so he ran away and didn’t warn them about the wrath of God. Jonah really wanted to see Nineveh’s destruction; he was anticipating their judgment, not their repentance. So the loving thing to do is to warn all sinners that God is just and will punish all who have broken His law. All agree that the way the WBC warns homosexuals is in a very hateful way. The Bible calls us to love… “If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.” 1 Corithians 13:11

The Wrath issue…
From what I’ve heard the WBC teach, it is safe to say that they think homosexuals have been abandon by God, as we see foretold in the book of Romans. If we are living in the time of God’s abandonment, someone could conclude that those sinners will not repent, but that is a judgment not for us to know. We, the Church, are simply under the same orders to proclaim the gospel to the lost. Not to judge that some types of sinners will not repent.

Jesus encountered many self righteous Pharisees. He showed His dislike towards their arrogant holier-than-thou attitude many times in the gospels. I would think it would be fair to say that Jesus would show the same contempt towards WBC. The bible teaches humility, mostly because we have nothing to boast about. We are all sinners in need of being delivered from the wrath of God.

If the WBC followed the Bible, they would go on mission trips, not protesting trips. They would be in contact with the local churches, and work with the churches. The reason they don’t contact local churches for support is that churches follow the loving example of Christ’s humble sacrifice, not WBC’s hateful, condemning, hopeless message of wrath.

The local churches love homosexuals. We want homosexuals to come to the cross for the same reason we, in the church, came to the cross…forgiveness, healing and eternal life. There is a great ministry that has had success in helping homosexuals to repent from their sinful lifestyle. Check out Exodus International.

Richard Dawkins “The Pope of Atheism”

March 7th, 2010

Atheism is a religion, the void of God in a person’s life makes them live a faith based on their unrighteous desires. Take a look at how the Bible written long ago is coming true in our life time. This new Atheistic movement is exploding in the western culture, What has God told us about it…..
Romans 1:18-23 God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Please know this, Atheist can not ever know for sure there is no god, so they believe there is no god based on feelings not facts. These feelings are strong, and often turn to anger when they are challenged. that’s because people like Ben Stein, ask simple questions that show their logic to be lacking, which in turn proves what God said in Romans.

The modern Atheist’s continue to show themselves to be foolish in their logic. They are blinded by the Hate they have towards God, a God they try so hard to deny even exists. Listen closely to what Richard Dawkins says in this interview, when pressed about how it all began, he showed his foolishness by saying may-be we came from intellegent designers from another planet…Note what Ben Sein says, “So Professor Dawkins was not agaisnt “Intellgent Design” just certian types of designers such as God” does he know how close to scripture his statement is? 


Romans 1:28-32
28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

More foolishness from Richard Dawkins, note in the interview he admits that the Atheist position is undefinable, can’t be proven yet he continues to call himself an Atheist….Why? It is my strong opinion the Atheism is a religion. Note in this vid at the 4:10 time, he flips flops on being an Atheist, then at the very end he states his agenda…Richard Dawkins is an evangelist for his godless religion called “Atheism” Like I keep saying Atheism is a religion.


Richard Dawkins is a God hater, once I saw that connection from Scripture, I began to see how if he truly believed there is no god, then why all the anger towards something that doesn’t exist? I don’t hate the Easter Bunny….Do you?

Silent Scream 1984, The Technology that should have ended the abortion issue

March 5th, 2010

This is a copy from “The Vorthos Forum”

“When the lives of the unborn are snuffed out, they often feel pain, pain that is long and agonizing.” President Ronald Reagan to National Religious Broadcasters Convention, January 1981

The Silent Scream – Re-Mastered, Multi-Language
Ronald Reagan became convinced of this as a result of watching The Silent Scream a movie he considered so powerful and convicting that he screened it at the White House.

More recently, it was by catching just a glimpse of what this film reveals that Planned Parenthood director and abortion advocate Abby Johnson turned and became a strong advocate for the pre-born.

SYNOPSIS: The modern technology of real-time ultrasound now reveals the actual responses of a 12-week old fetus to being aborted.

As the unborn child attempts to escape the abortionists suction curette, her motions can be seen to become desperately agitated and her heart rate doubles. Her mouth opens as if to scream but no sound can come out.

Her scream doesnt have to remain silent, howevernot if you will become her voice.

This powerful exposé on the true horrors of abortion is narrated by Dr. Bernard M. Nathanson, who earlier in his career ran the worlds largest abortion clinic. Now ardently pro-life, Dr. Nathanson is dedicated to exposing the truth about abortion on demand.

SPECIAL NOTE: This newly re-mastered version features eight language tracks (see below for listing) and two bonus videos: The Answer (Bernard Nathanson’s response to the critics of Silent Scream) and Choice Blues – a short video produced by the Center for Bioethical Reform that powerfully exposes the brutality of abortion.

a high technology Uncle Toms Cabin arousing public opinion just as Harriet Beecher Stowes 1852 antislavery novel ignited the abolitionist movement. Sen. Gordon Humphrey, Time Magazine

Why don’t our leader work for a change….Please

February 28th, 2010

This Passage found Isaiah 3 refers to the judgment on Judah and Jerusalem, but as we know History tends to repeat itself, nothing new under the sun, Our leaders seem to be just like these described here.
5 People will oppress each other—
man against man, neighbor against neighbor.
The young will rise up against the old,
the base against the honorable.
6 A man will seize one of his brothers
at his father’s home, and say,
“You have a cloak, you be our leader;
take charge of this heap of ruins!”

7 But in that day he will cry out,
“I have no remedy.
I have no food or clothing in my house;
do not make me the leader of the people.”

(Unkown)-This is one of their THREE DAY WORK WEEKS that we all pay for. I am ready to start from the beginning by voting out all elected officials and not letting any of them stay in office for more than two terms. No more lifelong healthcare, retirement, voting in their own pay raises, taking perks on our taxes, etc.

House Minority Leader Lawrence F. Cafero Jr. , R-Norwalk, pictured standing, far right, speaks while colleagues Rep. Barbara Lambert, D-Milford and Rep. Jack F. Hennessy, D-Bridgeport, play solitaire Monday night as the House convened to vote on a new budget. (AP)

The guy sitting in the row in front of these two…. he’s on Facebook, and the guy behind Hennessy is checking out the baseball scores.

Please join us for our monthly Pot luck

February 24th, 2010

Atheistic Worship…Hey who are they worshiping?

February 23rd, 2010

Humans love to worship, we are created for God’s pleasure, for his enjoyment:

Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Psa 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD.

Isa 43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

I’ve seen this many times from atheists, they, like all of us long to worship,  God created us for his glory and pleasure. Our natural response to him is praise. God’s created purpose is so strong that even those who deny his existence, then prove his exists by illogically praising “Random Chance”. In other words if we just came into existence with out an intelligent being to marvel at, what are these atheists so impressed with? How can they even say anything is beautiful? Is random chance beautiful? Is the universe capable of receiving praise? Who are these atheist’s singing (saying) praise to?

“Serve the Lord with gladness; Come before His presence with singing. Know that the Lord, He is God; It is He who has made us, and not we ourselves; We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.” (Ps. 100:2-3, New King James Version)

Further more, if that isn’t enough to make you stop and think, what about the fact that God tells us very clearly that those who exchange God’s testimony about creation for the lie of evolution will worship the creation not the creator.

Romans 1:25
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

In no way can you deny what this is clearly saying, man will worship and serve created things…now look around you what do you see? Idolatry!

Woman Who Threatened Pro-Lifers With Knife at Abortion Center Keeps Baby

February 19th, 2010

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
February 17
, 2010

Duluth, MN (LifeNews.com) — A woman who faces assault charges after she pulled a knife on two pro-life advocates who encouraged her not to have an abortion has decided against having the planned abortion. Mechelle Tallulah Hall has pleaded guilty to second-degree assault but she has also decided to keep her baby.

Leah Winandy and other pro-life advocates were gathered outside the abortion business in Duluth when Hall approached the Building For Women abortion center.

Winandy told Hall she cared about her unborn child but the woman responded by reportedly brandishing a knife and held it to Winandy’s throat.

The 26-year-old woman from Superior, Wisconsin plead guilty during a court hearing yesterday and admitted her crime under questioning from county prosecutor Nathaniel Stumme, according to the Duluth Tribune.

Public defender Laura Zimm told Judge David Johnson that details of the plea agreement Hall made with prosecutors would have her serving probation but no jail time.

The newspaper reached Hall at home afterwards and she said she has decided to have the baby and that she is happy the Winandys were present to persuade her otherwise.

“Thank you for being there,” she said. “If they weren’t there, I probably would have gone through with it and regretted it for the rest of my life. It probably
would have gone the other way. I’m sincerely sorry for doing that to her.”

Winandy told the newspaper she agreed to the probation sentence.

“I forgive Mechelle for what she did; I do forgive her because God has given me forgiveness in my heart for her,” Winandy said.

Hall will learn the sex of the baby in an ultrasound next month.

As LifeNews.com has reported, Winandy has discussed the incident at length and said, “We asked the women ‘please don’t take the life of your unborn baby we care about what happens to them.”

“She said ‘don’t do this, don’t talk to me, don’t come near me’ and I just said ‘fear god,’ and she had the knife to my throat and I was a little nervous,” Winandy added. “She was probably trying to threaten me and intimidate me…but for what reason I don’t know.”

After Hall threatened Winandy, her mother, another sidewalk counselor, came to her aid and Hall threatened her with the knife as well, holding it close to her neck.

Hall then entered the abortion facility — where police later found her and located the knife in her purse. Police officials arrested her and took her to the St. Louis County jail.

Winandy related in the email LifeNews.com received that not only is she thankful for the incident but she said the story is not over.

“As the police were leaving, a young women ran into the building very quickly,” she said. “After a few minutes she came out onto the sidewalk, and seemed to be waiting for someone. My mom talked to her, and she turned out to be the friend of the women who had just been arrested.”

“Not knowing what had just happened, she had come to support her friend, but was told that her friend had left the building quickly. They didn’t even tell her why or in what state she had left,” Winandy continued.

“So we were able to minister to this women, her name is, Melissa and her friend, who had been arrested is Michelle,” Winandy said.

Winandy indicated she and her mother talked with Melissa about their Christian faith and she indicated it may be possible for the Winandys to visit Michelle in jail.

“Please pray for these two women. I do forgive Michelle,” she concluded.

The November assault followed a September shooting in Michigan that saw pro-life advocate Jim Pouillon shot and killed as he protested abortion.

Steve Galvin is a funny guy…with a not so funny problem

February 17th, 2010
Steve Galvin

Steve Galvin

Meet “Steve Galvin.” I’ve known Steve for about 25 plus years. Back then we shared a careless attitude towards life. We made fun of everything; nothing was off limit from our wit. When everyone was going sushi crazy Steve would retort “Hey I’ve got a great idea, how about we make sushi vending machines”

So it was good to reconnect to Steve this last year at our Church, in that Steve quit drinking by the grace of God and became a Christian in rehab. Over the course of Time Steve did some damage to his liver, with a new view on life Steve now wants to live for Christ. Please pray for Steve as he is working his way through a list in hopes of getting a new liver.

We are created to worship

February 10th, 2010

Replacement Theology

February 9th, 2010

I’ve studied this off and on for the past few years, I think that God would never Change his focus from Israel to the Church like many think, Read this and decide for yourself what you think of the doctrine of replacement theology. Replacement Theology creeps into the Church through American Holidays, when we lift the church and or America up higher then Israel. If we replace Israel and insert the Church instead, our Christian world view shifts in a way that puts contradictions into the rest of our theology. Most people simply just mis-apply some Scriptures intended for Israel alone, and then insert the church and or America in its place. This Interpretation’s biggest supporter is Hank Hanegraaff from “the Bible Answer man” radio program. Across America people even among our own ranks here at Tahoe Community Church have mixed these Ideas into what they believe. I’d like to take this opportunity to point out from God’s word that he hasn’t changed, his mind about Israel. Please read this article that clearly shows how God’s word contradicts Replacement Theology.

Replacement Theology
by Anonymous, 1989
There is a powerful movement afoot called Replacement Theology
which states that the church is Israel and the promises given to
Israel were primarily for the church. This movement is
incurring the wrath of God, as it increasingly condemns the
nation of Israel as illegitimate, which is natural for folks who
believe the church has replaced Israel. Even among those who
still hold to Israel to one degree or another, there seems to be
a propensity for yanking Old Testament promises out of the Bible
– and, I might add, out of context — and indiscriminately
applying them to modern church situations. The tendency is to
select those promises which fit church theology (like healing,
prosperity, victory) and ignore those which do not (like
punishment for rebellion, keeping of feasts, sacrifices). To
set the record straight: the church did not yet exist when
those promises were given, and they were not given to Israel as
a “type” of the church until the church should inherit them.
The Old Testament promises were given to Israel, and they apply
to Israel. Many of them ALSO apply to the church in a general
way, and many of them apply to all nations in a general way, and
many of them apply only to Israel. We have got to quit assuming
that just because some teacher of the Word says the Bible says
something is ours, that it is. We must understand the situation
and context in which the promises were given — promises of
blessing and/or cursing, of redemption, et-cetera — before we
can understand the promises themselves.

Let’s take as an example 2 Chronicles 7:14. Most people today
are familiar with that verse, but unfortunately the vast
majority of the church in America seems to have gotten the idea
somewhere — not from God — that the promise is to America. It
most assuredly is not. Let us read the passage in its context
(2 Chronicles 7:11-20):

Thus Solomon finished the house of the Lord and the
king’s palace, and successfully completed all that
he had planned on doing in the house of the Lord and
in his palace. Then the Lord appeared to Solomon at
night and said to him, “I have heard your prayer,
and have chosen this place for Myself as a house of
sacrifice. If I shut up the heavens so that there
is no rain, or if I command the locust to devour the
land, or if I send pestilence among My people, and
My people who are called by My Name [over whom My
Name is called] humble themselves and pray, and seek
My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will
hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and
will heal their land. Now My eyes shall be open and
My ears attentive the prayer of this place. For now
I have chosen and consecrated this house that My
Name may be there forever, and My eyes and My heart
will be there perpetually.”

The context here is the completion and dedication of the temple
in Israel. Note God’s promise concerning “this house”.
Speaking to Israel, the Lord promised to forgive the nation and
heal the land if the nation would repent. The entire nation is
called “My people”. Israel is called by God’s Name. This
promise was NOT given to Japan, Albania, or the United States,
none of which is a nation “called by My Name”. Unfortunately,
we in western society have twisted the meaning for our own
supposed benefit to allegedly say, “If My people which are
called by My Name (the Christians within the country) …” But
it does not say that. Now the promise CAN apply to a nation
other than Israel in a general way: certainly if any nation
(America included) will repent, God will restore the nation and
forgive the sin and heal the land. The key is the distinction
between who is Israel and who is not. If the church is Israel,
then one can truly say, “If the believers will repent and pray,
I’ll restore their land.” But believers have already repented,
or else they wouldn’t be believers! The confusion comes from
erroneously assuming the church is modern “spiritual Israel”,
having replaced national Israel. It does not say “If the
Christians will pray and intercede and repent”. Repent of what?
The believers are already the righteousness of God in Jesus, and
it’s not for the righteousness of the believing 1% that America
will be judged, but for the sin of the wicked 99% who refuse to
repent. The promise concerns a NATION repenting, not God’s
people WITHIN A NATION repenting and praying. We are the temple
of the Holy Spirit, it is true, but our repentance does not
nullify the justice and righteousness of God. He cannot leave
America unjudged and remain a righteous judge!

Elsewhere in the Bible we find the answer to how God deals with
a wicked nation where a few people are righteous. This is one
of those passages the modern Word of Faith and Kingdom Now
people like to avoid, because it pretty well debunks their
misinterpretation of 2 Chronicles 7:14. This is found in
Ezekiel 14:13-20, and it is one of those places which speaks of
all nations in general (starting with verse 21 — not quoted
here — the Lord starts to apply it directly to Israel):

“Son of man, if a country sins against Me by
committing unfaithfulness, and I stretch out My hand
against it, destroy its supply of bread, send famine
against it, and cut off from it both man and beast,
even though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job
were in its midst, by their own righteousness they
could only deliver themselves,” declares the Lord
God. “If I were to cause wild beasts to pass
through the land, and they bereave of children, and
it became desolate so that no one would pass through
it because of the beasts, though these three men
were in its midst, as I live,” declares the Lord
God, “they could not deliver either their sons or
their daughters. They alone would be delivered, but
the country would be desolate. Or if I should bring
a sword on that country and say, ‘Let the sword pass
through the country and cut off man and beast from
it,’ even though these three men were in its midst,
as I live,” declares the Lord God, “they could not
deliver either their sons or their daughters, but
they alone would be delivered. Or if I should send
a plague against that country and pour out My wrath
in blood on it, to cut off man and beast from it,
even though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in its midst,
as I live,” declares the Lord God, “they could not
deliver either their son or their daughter. They
would deliver only themselves by their
righteousness.”

Can our righteousness deliver America? What does God say about
it? The only people who will be delivered are the righteous,
and we’ve got to quit praying out of God’s will and asking Him
to deliver the wicked, because He is a righteous and just God
and He will judge sin. The smart thing is to get your sin
judged on the cross so you’re free of it and you don’t get
judged yourself. We need to pray for people to get saved, and
for wisdom for our leaders, and whatever else the Word tells us
to do. But know this: God is about to judge this nation. It
is His will to do so, indeed, He MUST do so. It is NOT His will
that any perish, but that all be saved. Nevertheless, Scripture
is clear that God hates sin, and He will destroy the nation that
continues to sin. He will also leave a righteous remnant.

The next time you hear someone quoting 2 Chronicles 7:14 over
America and admonishing you to pray for restoration of America,
just remember God isn’t going to restore America. God is
restoring Israel now, and human government is coming to an end,
because the Messiah is about to return as King of kings and Lord
of lords; and soon the Word will be fulfilled which says, “The
kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and
He shall reign forever and ever.” Why should God put off
Messiah’s return so Americans could enjoy a few more years of
materialism and debauchery? We need to get in on what God is
doing, not try to make Him conform to American Christianity and
an American Jesus.